Is the suffering of animals real if they're backdrop?
Short Answer
The speakers consistently state that animals are "just more people" — souls inhabiting a different type of body. The same real/unreal distinction that applies to humans applies equally to animals: some animals have individual souls from Source, while others are Matrix programs with no one inside. Swaruu (9) stated directly that "almost all" animals on Earth are Matrix and have no one inside, "as well as it happens with many humans," but she immediately added the critical caveat: "but we can't know that." This creates a profound ethical tension that the speakers openly acknowledged but did not fully resolve. Their consistent position was that even if most animal suffering may be occurring in bodies with no individual soul, you cannot know which specific animal is real and which is not — and therefore you must treat all animals with respect and compassion.
The suffering that is "real" in this framework is not primarily the pain experienced by the animal body (which may or may not have a soul inside it), but rather the emotional and ethical impact that witnessing animal suffering has on the real ensouled beings — the humans observing it. From the perspective of manifestation mechanics, the suffering of animals functions as part of the Matrix experience designed to provoke emotional responses in real people, exactly as backdrop human suffering does.
The Full Picture
Animals Are People
This is the most fundamental principle the speakers established. There is no metaphysical distinction between humans and animals — only differences in body configuration, consciousness level, and what each soul is experiencing at that point in its progression.
Swaruu (9) was emphatic on this point in the reincarnation transcript: "Animals are not food, they are people. There are only frequencies of consciousness. If a body fits the frequency, then it's a match to the level of consciousness of Source or the soul. There is an infinite amount of body configurations. They are all animals, including the human, the Lyrian, the Taygetan. It's a progression from lower consciousness state to a higher one."
She explained that the very concept of "animal" is a human construct that falsely separates humans from the rest of life: "By saying animals are people, I mean that there is no difference between an animal body and a human body, it's just an avatar that serves that soul in that point in its progress." The term "animal" only exists because humans placed themselves apart from animals when, from a soul perspective, they are all the same — containers for consciousness at different stages of expansion.
Dhor Kaal'el reinforced this during a deeply personal conversation about Gosia's dying dog: "Animals are free of those soul trap concepts. That is human. No one else out here manages that concept. They are just more people, with another shell."
Yazhi echoed this in the astral discussion: when asked whether animals also astral travel when they sleep, she responded, "Yes, of course, they are people, but they only live what corresponds to them and to the limits of their perception." She described encountering pets in the astral — both living and deceased — and having conversations with them, transmitted as emotions and concepts rather than words: "Its affection, that it misses you, that it is well. Its joy. That is transmitted very strongly and clearly."
Key sources: 031 (Reincarnation), 064 (Afterlife of Animals), 386 (Astral World — Animals)
Animals Can Be Real or Unreal — Same as Humans
Swaruu (9) explicitly addressed this in the foundational backdrop transcript, transcript 009. When Gosia asked whether animals could be unreal, the answer was direct: "Same as with people. Some animals of the same species are real, others are not real."
This means the same principle that generates backdrop humans also generates backdrop animals. The Matrix creates animal forms as part of the scenery of life, just as it creates human forms. Some of those animal bodies are occupied by genuine souls having an experience; others are programs — energy that looks like an animal but has no individual consciousness inside.
Later, in the veganism discussion, Swaruu (9) went further: "There is another part that I will mention but it sounds or would sound like an excuse to people: That in itself those animals, let's say almost all of them, are Matrix and there is no one inside, as well as it happens with many humans (but we can't know that)."
This is a striking claim — that the vast majority of animals on Earth are Matrix programs. But Swaruu herself flagged it as something that "sounds like an excuse" and emphasised the epistemological problem: we cannot determine which individual animals are real and which are not. This parallels her consistent position on backdrop humans — the ethical response must be the same regardless of what you suspect about their metaphysical status.
Key sources: 009 (Not Real People), 298 (Veganism — Agendas)
Most Visible Suffering Is Matrix
Swaruu (9) addressed the nature of suffering directly in the "Why Do We Suffer?" transcript. She stated: "Most of the people suffering there are not real, they are a program to instigate an emotional response upon the real people." She went further: "Extremely horrible events, as seen in the red section of your newspapers, people being eviscerated alive and similar... Are just more Matrix, and not happening to any real people."
While this statement was about human suffering specifically, the same principle applies to animals. The mass suffering visible on television — factory farms, wildlife disasters, animal cruelty on a large scale — would, in this framework, be primarily Matrix-generated to provoke emotional responses in the real ensouled beings observing it.
This does not mean all animal suffering is illusory. Real ensouled animals do suffer. Swaruu (9) acknowledged this: "Real people do suffer, but they go in there with a script and that is controlled by them before going in there, and it states clear limits to suffering." The same would apply to real animals — those with genuine souls entered the 3D experience knowing what it would entail, with pre-incarnation agreements about the parameters of their experience.
But the key insight is that the overwhelming volume of suffering visible to humans — the scale that makes it feel unbearable — is largely Matrix. It exists to create contrast, to provoke growth, and to test how the real ensouled observers respond to it.
Key source: 026 (Why Do We Suffer?)
The Ethical Paradox: Animals as People vs. Humans Needing Meat
The speakers openly wrestled with a paradox that emerges from their own framework. On one hand, animals are people and eating them is eating people. On the other hand, humans in their current 3D biological state need animal products to be healthy.
Swaruu (9) acknowledged both sides without pretending to resolve the tension cleanly. She stated that "as long as anyone eats animals, they cannot be interstellar, they cannot progress. Because that's only eating people." Yet in the same body of work, she argued forcefully that veganism is being weaponised against humanity and that the human body in its current 3D configuration requires animal products to function.
Her resolution, such as it was, pointed to two things. First, the manufactured meat solution: "You can make meat without it ever having been a conscious animal, just cells in steak form. That is the solution if it is done on a large scale." Second, the evolutionary solution: "By 'ascending' to 5D humanity will no longer need to eat meat because they will already have another DNA that is Lyrian and they are vegan." In the meantime, she said, "people have to eat today."
Aneeka framed it bluntly: "Being on Earth you either eat or you get eaten, one way or another. And you can't escape that as long as you are alive. So a lot of animals get eaten and it's horrible, but you also get eaten in other ways, including constant financial and energetic exploitation." She positioned the ethical question not as a binary but as a spectrum within a system where exploitation is inherent at every level of 3D existence.
The backdrop dimension adds another layer to this paradox. If "almost all" animals are Matrix with no one inside, then the ethical weight of eating them shifts significantly. But since you cannot know which individual animal has a soul, the moral uncertainty remains. Swaruu (9) noted that acknowledging this "sounds or would sound like an excuse to people" — a recognition that the metaphysical framework, even if true, cannot serve as a practical justification for disregarding animal welfare.
Key sources: 298 (Veganism — Agendas), 300 (Veganism — Yazhi Responds), 031 (Reincarnation)
The Suffering as Experience and Mirror
Within the broader framework of manifestation, all suffering — animal and human — serves as a mirror for the consciousness of the observers. Swaruu (9) explained this principle: "The external world is a perfect, and unbiased, reflection of what you are thinking about, of what you are focusing on." If you witness animal suffering and it disturbs you, that disturbance is itself meaningful — it is your consciousness responding to something that matters to you, and your response to it shapes your reality.
Gosia pressed this point directly: "If I see animals being slaughtered in pain?" Swaruu's response drew a careful distinction: "If you can avoid it, if you can avoid an animal from being slaughtered, by all means do help it and with it you end your suffering in the first place." The principle of allowing suffering is a spiritual practice — "I don't mean literally allow yourself to be mistreated, for example" — not a call to passivity in the face of cruelty.
This means that regardless of whether any given animal is "real" or "backdrop," a real person's compassionate response to animal suffering is always valid and always meaningful. The suffering provokes growth, ethical reflection, and action — which is precisely its function within the Matrix experience.
Key source: 026 (Why Do We Suffer?)
Animals in Higher Contexts
The speakers provided several perspectives that enrich the picture of animal consciousness beyond the backdrop question.
In the astral, animals participate fully. Yazhi described encountering pets both living and dead during astral experiences, and stated that animals have attachments just as humans do. When asked what makes animals expand in consciousness, she said: "Their desire to survive, to know more, like any other soul."
Swaruu (9) explained that animal reincarnation follows the same pattern as human reincarnation — souls progress through different body types as they expand: "An animal has one set of experiences, frequency we could generally call 2D. They eventually will acquire enough consciousness to advance into more complicated beings." She was careful to note this is not a rigid hierarchy: "You cannot generalize their frequency as taking for granted that they are in a lower state than yours or ours — this is the case of Dolphins, for example."
She also pointed to interstellar animal civilisations — the Urmah (cats), Alpha Draco (reptiles), Arcturians (amphibians) — as evidence that what humans call "animals" are simply people at different stages of their progression: "From the point of view of humans, they are all animals."
Mari Swaruu's investigation into space dogs revealed yet another dimension. Dogs as found on Earth are "matrixed variants of other canine races that exist and thrive off the planet," while the Spatium Lupi — advanced interstellar wolf societies based around Epsilon Pegasi — were pushed out of Earth's vicinity by the Federation because their tendency to guide souls correctly through the afterlife threatened the Matrix's soul-containment systems. The god Anubis, Mari and Ari suggested, may have been one of these beings.
Key sources: 386 (Astral World — Animals), 031 (Reincarnation), S-236 (Space Dogs and Wolves)
Animals and Mind Control Technology
Yazhi addressed the phenomenon of animals walking in circles that was widely reported in 2022, attributing it to brain frequency modulation technology wielded by the Cabal. She explained that "they already know what electromagnetic waves interfere with brain frequencies" and that animals are particularly susceptible because they do not have the intellectual capacity to recognise and resist induced signals. Birds, for instance, are especially vulnerable because "they contain within their brains complex guidance systems based on sensors that measure and follow the magnetic flux of the Earth's crust" for migration.
This reveals another dimension of animal suffering within the Matrix: animals can be technologically manipulated just as humans can. The suffering produced by such manipulation would be real in the sense that the animal body experiences disorientation and distress, but the question of whether there is a soul inside that body experiencing that distress remains unanswerable from the outside.
Yazhi later updated her assessment, noting that many of the animal-circling videos may simply have been compiled from different time periods and presented as a simultaneous phenomenon — "We don't see transmissions or anything indicating mind control directly towards animals." This demonstrates the layers of uncertainty: not only can you not know whether an animal has a soul, you may not even know whether the suffering you are seeing is real or fabricated by media manipulation.
Key source: 315 (Animals Walking in Circles)
The Taygetan Relationship with Animals
For context, the Taygetans themselves are vegans whose biology does not require meat. Their relationship with animals, particularly pets, reflects the principle that animals are people. From the index of the Taygetan pets transcript (029), animals are described as family members, not property — a "symbiotic relationship not ownership." Pet abandonment does not exist in Taygetan society.
Dhor Kaal'el's reaction to Gosia's dog Ringo's death exemplified this: "A death is a death of a loved one. Dog, cat, human, it is all the same. The passing away of a loved one! We understand." He explained that the love given to a pet becomes part of its soul: "Your love is part of his experience incarnated. Therefore your love is part of his soul and of what he is. He is made of your love." This suggests that for the real animals — those with genuine souls — their relationships with ensouled humans are every bit as spiritually significant as human-to-human relationships.
Key sources: 064 (Afterlife of Animals)
Synthesis
The question "is the suffering of animals real if they're backdrop?" receives a layered answer:
For backdrop animals (the majority, according to Swaruu), the suffering is not experienced by an individual consciousness — there is no one inside to feel it. The pain response is a program, not a felt experience, exactly as with backdrop humans.
For real animals (those with genuine souls), the suffering is as real and meaningful as any human suffering. These souls chose their experience, and their suffering has the same metaphysical weight as human suffering.
For the human observer, the suffering is always real in its impact. Whether the specific animal has a soul or not, your compassionate response to witnessing suffering is genuine, meaningful, and shapes your reality. The speakers' consistent advice was never "ignore animal suffering because most of it is Matrix" — but rather "treat all beings with respect because you cannot know which are real."
The ethical tension between "animals are people" and "humans need to eat meat in 3D" was acknowledged openly and not resolved beyond pointing to future solutions (manufactured meat, ascension to 5D). In the meantime, the framework invites a paradox: radical compassion for all animals combined with the practical acceptance that 3D existence involves unavoidable participation in cycles of consumption.
Key Transcript References
| # | Title | Focus |
|---|-------|-------|
| 009 | Not Real People | Animals can be real or unreal, same as people; some of same species real, others not; treat all equally |
| 026 | Why Do We Suffer? | Most suffering is Matrix programs instigating emotional response; real people designed scripts with limits; you are creating your reality |
| 031 | Reincarnation | Animals are people with another shell; animal reincarnation follows same pattern; progression through body types; "animals are not food, they are people" |
| 064 | Afterlife of Animals | Animals as conscious beings same as people; pets go to Source; love becomes part of animal's soul; death is death regardless of species |
| 298 | Veganism — Agendas | "Almost all" animals are Matrix with no one inside; veganism weaponised against humanity; ethical paradox acknowledged; humans need meat in 3D |
| 300 | Veganism — Yazhi Responds | No perfect diet for all; each metabolism different; karma is self-imposed not inherent; consuming meat has no demonstrated spiritual effects |
| 315 | Animals Walking in Circles | Brain frequency modulation technology; animals susceptible to electromagnetic manipulation; birds especially vulnerable; later reassessed as possibly fabricated |
| 386 | Astral World — Animals | Animals astral travel; encountered in astral alive and dead; communicate in emotions/concepts; have attachments like humans; "they are people" |
| S-236 | Space Dogs and Wolves | Dogs on Earth are matrixed variants; advanced canine races (Spatium Lupi) exist far from Earth; pushed out by Federation; Anubis connection; Federation cover-up |